Saturday
31st December
Last
night, the former (and possibly future?) Genesis drummer Phil
Collins was in the hotseat of BBC's Room 101. If you've not
seen this show before, it's basically a forum for guests to
rant and moan about things in life that wind them up. Collins
was surprisingly witty, lambasting wig-wearing TV evangelists
(a phenomenon that inspired Genesis' 'Jesus He Knows Me'), the
trend of all-too-revealing men's swimming trunks, over-zealous
instruction manuals and those infuriating list rundowns that
saturate our small screens (100 Best ManUre Goals, my ass).
Best of all though, Phil ended the show by savaging one of my
own pet hates, the vile Oasis. "They're just horrible and
rude," he stated. "And they're not as talented as
they think they are." If anything, the Gallagher siblings
got off lightly. For my money, Oasis are now as repetitive,
ego-ridden and lame as the arse end of the Collins-era of Genesis,
which is indeed saying something.
And there's more good news. If Sky Sports News are to be believed,
Coventry, Plymouth, Bristol City, Swansea and MK Dons are all
lining up transfer window bids for misfit Palace forward Wayne
Andrews. For the right price - a WH Smith book token, a one
day Travelcard or perhaps a half-eaten sausage roll - the poor
fella must get on his bike.
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Thursday 29th December
Phew. Palace played poorly last night against a Derby County
side that packed the midfield but (thankfully) had no cutting
edge. Despite some of our own team playing out of position and
the efforts of the latest unspeakably bad referee to visit Selhurst,
a second 2-0 victory on the spin catapulted Dowie's men right
back into the Play Off places.
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Tuesday 27th December
The life of a freelance music writer ain't necessarily all
you think it is. While most people are still munching way on
leftover turkey and/or overdosing on crap TV, yours truly has
trudged through the snow to my office at the end of the garden.
I'm here to continue work on three features and a selection
of albums and DVD reviews for completion by January 3. It's
a good job I love my vocation.
Congratulations to the mighty Eagles, who yesterday returned
to form by blasting two goals past the Tractor Boys of Ipswich
in what sounded like a fairly comfortable win. I've just seen
Michael Hughes' 35-yard rocket for the second goal, and it was
an absolute beaut. The only black marks were the silly dismissals
(and subsequent suspensions) of John Macken and Ben Watson.
Let's have more of the same - except the dismissals of course
- against Derby tomorrow please, fellas. Despite those imminent
copy delivery dates, expect the pre-match drinking to commence
a little early.
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Monday 26th December
It's Boxing Day and despite my self-assertion to take Palace
less seriously, I'm chewed up inside about this afternoon's
away game with Ipswich Town. I switch on the computer to another
installment of offers of Viagra, penis enhancement, painkillers,
e-Diets, Oriental ladyboys, bent computer software, watches
and dodgy insider trading info, all despatched over the previous
two days - don't these people have anything better to do with
their fuggin' lives? There was at least one pleasant, personal
message from Leslie West, advising that there will be a Mountain
tour in May. Anyway... if you're reading this, I hope you had
a great Christmas Day. I've saved my pressie of the new CPFC
centenary shirt to wear at 3pm. Come on you Super Eagles!!!
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Saturday 24th December
Just
got back from seeing King Kong with Mrs L and the lads. What can
I say except that this remarkable piece of cinematic genius is
worth every cent of the reported $200 million it cost to make.
It might take almost an hour of the movie for the real action
to begin, but during the last two-thirds it's almost impossible
to look away. Don't miss it.
Happy birthday to Lemmy Kilmister, who turns 60 today. It's incredible
to think that half of that time has been spent with Motörhead.
It was recently pointed out that had Lemmy lived a 'normal' life,
he could now be retiring. I just don't see him swapping those
white boots for pipe and slippers anytime soon. Apart from collaping
on stage from dehydration (he later reluctantly agreed to start
taking ice in his Jack Daniel's), 2005 was a good year for the
Lemster. He received the inaugural Living Legend Award at the
Classic Rock Awards, and his band are still one of the most potent
live acts around. Long may he rock.
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Friday 23rd December
What on earth is Michael Schenker thinking? The former UFO
guitarist is reknowned for eccentricity, and of late for a troubled
personal life, but in order to validate his decision to cancel
an upcoming US tour Schenker has posted a series of sensitive
emails at his website
[go to the section called 'To my true fans']. This spider's web
of claims and counter-claims is fascinating, in a car-crash kinda
way. These warts 'n' all revelations should certainly not be viewable
by everyone with a computer. Accused of missing a child support
payment, it seems that jail is an option should he tread on Stateside
soil.
Meanwhile, two of his precious guitars have been pawned for $1,000.
But besides various marital comments and even accusations of blackmail,
the message in which Michael's daughter Essenz suggests she and
her mom will lose their house (AGAIN!) is the most disturbing.
It saddens me that Schenker's world is this vicious and complicated,
and perhaps it goes some way to explaining his fragile state of
mind.
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Thursday
22nd December
Uggghhhh.
Feeling groggy today. Not for the usual alcoholic reasons, I've
come down with the same lurgy that affected Mrs L and the Linglets
last week. Was even unable to attend Hawkwind at the Astoria last
night, which is a big shame as I love seeing them and they'd asked
me to make an award during the show. Wouldn't have looked too
good to chunder on anyone's shoes, so I stayed home and was in
bed by 9pm. Barring a Lazarus-style recovery, I'll probably miss
out on Mostly Autumn at the Islington Academy tonite, too.
On a happier note, I've just learned that former Palace midfielder
Geoff Thomas is staging a re-run of the legendary 1990 Cup Final
between the Eagles and ManUre, with all proceeds going to leukaemia
research. It takes place at Selhurst on March 26, and besides
tempting many of the players out of retirement, original managers
Steve 'The Messiah' Coppell and Alex Vile Fergiescum will lead
the players out onto the pitch. Thomas is in remission from myeloid
leukaemia and last year raised £170,000 by completing all
2,200 miles of the Tour De France. He's an example to us all.
P.S. Great news that Quo's Rick Parfitt received the all-clear
following his throat cancer scare. His two growths were removed
by laser surgery.
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Tuesday 20th December
For two very different reasons, this morning finds me both
chuffed and bemused. I'm ecstatic to learn that Foreigner have
confirmed a concert at London's Shepherds Bush Empire on June
30 - their first British show since playing the Marquee on the
'Unusual Heat' tour in the summer of 1991. Lou Gramm was absent
back then and sadly remains so, but present frontman Kelly Hansen
(Hurricane / Unruly Child) is a decent replacement, and just about
any band that includes bassist Jeff Pilson and drummer Jason Bonham
will be worth seeing. Further good news: the reunited Celtic Frost
have announced some live dates, though as yet there's nothing
in the UK.
My bemusement/amusement is at Crystal Palace manager Iain Dowie's
latest quote on Eagles midfield general Ben Watson, who could
apparently become as good as Steven Gerrard or Paul Scholes if
he learns "the uglier side of the game". By that Dowie
must mean putting in some tackles or notching a few extra goals.
I'd rather our so-called dead ball specialist learned to take
corners without smashing them directly onto the first defender's
head, or free kicks that don't just bounce back off the wall.
But then this hypothesis comes from someone who last season likened
Tom Soares to Patrick Viera - sheesh.
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Sunday 18th December
Still seething after yesterday's trip to watch Crystal Palace's
inevitable capitulation to Plymouth Are Gargoyles. After a haul
of more than five hours, the Eagles went 1-0 down after just 11
seconds then shipped another in injury time. Bouncebackability
seems a very distant concept indeed. It wasn't the defeat that
had me spitting bile and fury, but the manner in which the team
accepted their fate. I've made a mental note to care a bit less
in future; certainly until displays on the pitch equate with the
passion that floods from the stands.
The return trainride was at least cheered by two huge lemon alcopops
and a bottle of Baileys, plus recently acquired Status Quo re-issues
('Rocking All Over The World' through 'Never Too Late' - the latter
an overlooked gem in the band's catalogue), and the rather splendid
'Roadrunner United' anniversary album.
Home at last I cracked open another bottle and perused the 'Dowie
out' threads at the Palace bulletin
board. Not too long ago such thoughts would've been heresy,
but the team has played well on just a handful of occasions this
term. Iain's tactics are flawed; he must stop playing his favourite
alleged 'players' (hello Ben Watson, Fitz Hall, Tom Soares, hapless
keeper Julian Spilloni and Wayne fuggin' Andrews) and axe the
under-achievers. But most importantly he must instill some fire
- losing to B****ton, Plymouth and (almost) Scumwall is unacceptable.
I'd be astonished if we make the play-offs now, and Dowie's got
till the end of the season to halt the slide.
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Saturday
17th December
How much fun did I have yesterday?! My Status Quo sleeve
notes wrapped (I supplied the liners for '1+9+8+2' through 'Famous
In The Last Century') and Classic Rock news pages done 'n' dusted,
I slipped off early to the Record & Tape Exchange, then swigged
some white wine in anticipation of a great show at the Borderline.
Headlining were Kino, a group comprising members of It Bites,
Marillion and Arena. There's also a Porcupine Tree connection,
but last night drummer Chris Maitland was replaced by It Bites'
Bob Dalton. Just about all of the quartet's must-own debut album
'Picture' was aired, plus It Bites classics 'Plastic Dreamer'
and 'Kiss Like Judas'. During Marillion's 'Sugar Mice', that band's
guitarist Steve Rothery stood on the stairs and attempted to look
low-key. Also in the packed crowd were Geoffrey Downes and a fit
and healthy-looking John Wetton. John's had a few well-documented
problems, but when I congratulated him on (hopefully) turning
the corner ahead of a Wetton-Downes UK tour in March, he cheerfully
shrugged: "I couldn't got much worse than the last time you
saw me". Keep it up, mate. Although Mr Downes was a guest
on opening act Steve Thorne's thoroughly recommended debut CD
'Emotional Creatures Part One' (which also featured Nick D'Virgilio
of Spock's Beard and Tony Levin), the keyboardist declined to
join Thorn onstage, unlike IQ's Martin Orford who played flute
on 'God Bless America'.
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Friday
16th December
You
could say it's ironic that Arch Enemy delayed these UK dates due
to trouble securing ideal support bands. Why? Well, replacement
special guests Strapping Young Lad made them earn their money
at the Astoria last night. Like some bizarre biological mutation
of a geography teacher, Jesus and ex-Kerrang! journo Paul Suter,
Devin Townsend is a true madman, ranting and raving at the audience
amid magnificently bonkers bouts of twisted cyber-metal. Strapping
Young Lad specialise in maelstroms of ripping guitars, pulverising
drums - pounded by ex-Death Angel/Death man-mountain Gene Hoglan
- and space-rock keys, but you don't analyse them; their music
simply engulfs you. (The evening begins with an impressive set
from Throwdown, who play a mean version of Pantera's 'A New Level'
in tribute to Dimebag Darrell).
But nobody steals Arch Enemy's thunder. Introducing new guitarist
Fredrik Åkesson the headliners dig deep into the current
'Doomsday Machine' album with 'Nemesis', 'My Apocalypse', 'Taking
Back My Soul', 'Hybrids Of Steel', 'I Am Legend'/'Out For Blood'
and 'Skeleton Dance', though the best-received numbers of the
night are 'Ravenous' and 'We Will Rise'. They depart to a quite
ecstatic response, suggesting that popularity-wise they're still
nowhere near peaking.
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Wednesday
14th December
Last night I trundled along to the Mean Fiddler to check
out Bernie Marsden, Micky Moody and Neil Murray, collectively
known these days as M3 Classic Whitesnake. Opening act Stray did
a fine job of warming up a decent-sized crowd, before M3 took
us back to the days before MTV put the skids under one of the
world's greatest bands. Okay, Stefan Berggren is no David Coverdale,
but the Swede did a more accurate than expected job on 'Hit An
Run' and 'Crying In The Rain' (though 'Trouble' and 'Ready An'
Willing' weren't so great). Funnily enough, when Marsden mentioned
Coverdale's name whilst introducing 'Ain't Gonna Cry No More',
the audience actually booed. Given that they'd cheered so heartily
for 'Walking In The Shadow Of The Blues', 'Don't Break My Heart
Again', 'Lonely Days Lonely Nights', 'Slow 'N' Easy', 'Fool For
Your Loving', 'Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City' and 'Here
I Go Again', the reaction felt a tad ungracious. However, one
thing's for sure: Messrs Moody and Marsden remain among the finest
guitar duos ever to grace a stage.
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Tuesday
13th December
Yesterday
evening I met up for a quiet drink with my pal Malcolm Dome and
our mutual acquaintance, ex-Ozzy Osbourne/Vince Neil bassist Phil
Soussan. If you didn't know, Phil wrote Ozzy's 'Shot In The Dark',
then formed the underrated Beggars & Thieves and for the past
few years has played with Richie Kotzen, John Waite, Edgar Winter
and more. I'd not seen him since a party at his house up in the
Hollywood hills aeons ago, so it was great to hear a few stories
- none of which he'd like me to repeat here. Soussan also has
a rather good solo album called 'Vibrate', which features Kotzen
and former David Lee Roth drummer Gregg Bissonette, plus Toto
alumni Steve Lukather, David Paich, Simon Phillips and Steve Porcaro.
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Monday 12th December
Phew... thought that something was dreadfully wrong with me
there for a minute. I've been really, really enjoying The Darkness'
latest single, 'One Way Ticket'. I'd read the glowing album reviews
and was willing to give them a fair chance second time around,
fingers crossed that the silly shrill vocals would be scaled back,
and hopefully for some musical progression. So I finally grabbed
a copy of the 'One Way Ticket To Hell... And Back' album, but
for all the band's good intentions it's glorified pub-rock. Freddie
Mercury has scraped out more palatable winnets from his backside
than the shambolic mess of 'English Country Garden', and let's
not even discuss that woeful song about Scotland. I salute The
Darkness for the shot in the arm they've given British rock, but
the joke is now well and truly milked to death.
Glad to report that Quo's Rick Parfitt is keeping a stiff upper
lip while awaiting news of his throat illness ("When the
doctor said there was a tumour, I was terrified," Rick told
the Sunday Mirror. "But it doesn't necessarily mean it's
cancer"), though I was unaware he'd been puffing away at
20 cigarettes each day, even following his 1997 heart bypass operation.
Silly boy.
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Sunday 11th December
Yesterday's 1-1 stalemate with Wolves was a pretty fair result.
Both sides dominated the game for stretches, though Palace paid
the price for not capitalising on their first half ascendency.
Replacing our most inventive player, Dougie Freedman, with the
ineffective John Macken, was the latest of Iain Dowie's baffling
substitutions.
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Saturday
10th December
Well, I finally finished Martin Popoff's excellent book
on Rainbow. Like Popoff's equally recommended companion UFO tome,
English Castle Magic concentrates on the band's catalogue, examining
things song-by-song and throwing in a few good anecdotes along
the way. F'rinstance, I had no idea that Ritchie Blackmore took
the group's name from the Rainbow Bar & Grill in Los Angeles,
or that late drummer Cozy Powell had a sweet tooth ("He used
to have a whole wardrobe full of chocolates," reveals Blackmore.
"Kitkats, Crunchies, Mars bars... it was like a shop. He
was like a little grannie") and certainly never put two and
two together to twig that 'The Shed (Subtle)' from the 'Long Live
Rock 'N' Roll' album was actually inspired by an area populated
by neanderthals at the Stamford Bridge ground of Chelsea FC. Fascinating
stuff.
Still on the topic of footie, England appear have been fortunate
in their group for next year's World Cup. Last night we were paired
with one of our bogey nations, Sweden, but the group was rounded
out by Paraguay and Trinidad & Tobago. I'm now counting the
days till June.
Hey, how cool is this?! Just received an email from Phil Manchester
- better known to many as Didge Digital, the enigmatic former
keyboard player of the mighty FM. Didge now has a website
which is well worth checking out if like me you believe that 'Indiscreet'
and 'Tough It Out' were among the finest albums ever made. Believe
it or not, Didge currently has an Emerson Lake & Palmer tribute
band called Black Moon. Sounds a lot better than True Blue, the
now legendary Madonna covers act that he formed after departing
FM.
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Friday
9th December
Yesterday...
what ups and downs. In the evening I attended Magnum's gig at
the Astoria, where the Brummie band once more ran through the
classic 'On A Storyteller's Night' album in its 20th anniversary
year. The robustly enjoyable set also included 'Backstreet Kid',
'Soldier Of The Line', 'Sacred Hour', 'Kingdom Of Madness' and
more of their best songs, so several dry white wines were sunk.
My buoyant mood was firmly pricked when informed in the Crobar
that Status Quo had cancelled the remainder of their 40th anniversary
UK tour "with immediate effect" while Rick Parfitt had
his throat checked out. Having experienced a few problems singing,
doctors in Plymouth found a growth that requires "urgent
investigation". It's feared that the 57-year-old rhythm guitarist
has a malignant tumour. My fingers are crossed that it's a false
alarm.
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Thursday
8th December
Switched
on Sky Sports News upon returning from last night's wonderful
Porcupine Tree gig at the Shepherds Bush Empire. You've no idea
how chuffed it made me to see Alex Fergiescum staring in stone-faced
disbelief as Moan United crashed out of Europe. The sooner Old
Trafford is bulldozed into a multi-storey car park, and their
so-called 'fans' get back to supporting their local teams the
better. Give Fergie the job for life, that's what I say.
Anyway, back to Porcupine Tree. In a testament to their sizeable
catalogue, the band switched the set around a lot since their
Astoria gig in April. It was curious that they would omit 'Shallow'
but at least the brilliant 'Arriving Somewhere But Not Here' retained
its place in the 105-minute performance. I also caught a large
chunk of Robert Fripp's opening set of 'Frippertronics' - the
King Crimson guitarist playing unaccompanied to a system of tape
loops. The audience gave Fripp their silent admiration, and 40
minutes of instrumental music just seemed to fly by. PT's Steve
Wilson's later got a laugh by quipping: "Robert's lost his
voice, we hope it gets better tomorrow or the day after. It happened
when he heard that Ozzy Osbourne had covered '21st Century Schizoid
Man' - it just went."
P.S. Can it really be a year since the senseless murder of Dimebag
Darrell? It's hard to believe, but true. RIP, Dime.
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Tuesday 6th December
I hate the bloody Scala. I've been to the central London venue
for countless shows and have yet to see a band able to vanquish
those pitiful, booming acoustics. Last night's openers, Withered,
sounded so awful that I soon lost patience. Bloodsimple were a
lot more enjoyable, and High On Fire vastly superior to the last
time I saw them wa-a-a-y back at the Underworld. On that February
2003 evening, Mastodon were the lowly opening act and High On
Fire the unknown headliners. Roles were reversed last night, confirming
that next year Mastodon should become as enormous as the woolly
mammoth from which they took their name - if they don't get screwed
by their new major label deal with Warner Bros. Despite passing
the curfew, a rammed-full Scala just wouldn't let 'em leave the
stage, so they returned with the house lights on and played us
a brand new song. Very cool indeed.
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Sunday 4th December
It's official: Palace are so rubbish we can't even beat a
pub team. And what about Dermot Gallagher - such a great referee
they named a skin disease after him. Yes, I'm still seething over
various aspects of yesterday's game against a typically thud and
blunder Scumwall XI, from which an injury time Ben Watson header
rescued Palace a barely deserved point. Iain Dowie had made a
brave/futile decision to drop Clinton Morrison, who may be a lazy
twat but even while asleep is a better player than Wayne mother-fuggin'
Andrews. And tell ya what, why don't we also leave out our most
consistent performer, Darren Ward, against his former club? Those
'Dowie out' threads at the Palace bulletin board are becoming
faintly more credible. It's the play-offs for the Eagles... at
best. And I pray that those two points we stole from the SE16
knuckle-draggers send them in the opposite direction.
I then grabbed a bottle of el vino collapso and some spicy balti
Bombay mix (a man's gotta eat!) en route to Camden for a rockin'
Vaughn and Shy double-header. In their all-too-short 40 minutes
Birmingham's own Shy surprisingly overlooked current disc 'Sunset
And Vine', but aired three from penultimate disc 'Unfinished Business'
('Breakaway', 'Skydiving' and 'No Other Way'), plus golden oldies
'Emergency', 'When The Love Is Over', 'Can't Fight The Night'
and 'Break Down The Walls'. An ex-member of Waysted/Tyketto, Danny
Vaughn and his latest pick-up group dug deeper than usual into
a rich catalogue. So besides staples like 'Wings To Fly', 'Is
That All There Is?', 'Meet Me In The Night', 'Rescue Me', 'Fearless'
and 'Forever Young', we got 'Heaven Tonight', 'Black And Blue',
'How The West Was Won' and 'Singing To The Night' from Waysted's
'Save Your Prayers' album (alas, minus the previous night's marauding
guest appearance from Pete 'Still Detoxing... Honest' Way), 'Blessing
In Disguise' and 'Nothing At All' from the 'From The Inside' project,
three from Flesh & Blood ('Feel The Power', 'Blues For Daze'
and 'Riverside'), plus 'Avalon', a track that Danny sang on Ten
leader Gary Hughes' sword and sorcery rock opera 'Once And Future
King'. Verily, 'twas a darned good night.
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Friday 2nd December
Boo, hiss! In the light of all the reunion speculation, Genesis
have issued a statement via manager Tony Smith. It reads: "There
are no decisions by Genesis to perform anywhere whatsoever at
this time. This situation will not alter in the next twelve months."
Hope for the future, then, but only if we're patient.
Lunchtime will be fun as I'm off to Planet
Rock Radio to be interviewed for one of those 'Desert Island
Discs' all-time Top Ten-style shows. It was quite a thrill to
learn I'll meet Nicky Horne, a deejay whose evening rock show
on Capital Radio introduced me to many of my fave bands during
the 1970s. It was called Your Mother Wouldn't Like It. She didn't,
but I certainly did.
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Thursday
1st December
How
fabulous was yesterday?! In the afternoon I attended a preview of
Iron Maiden's 'Death On The Road' live DVD (out on February 6). Edited
by bassist Steve Harris over a four month period, it sounds and looks
magnificent. While the 'Rock In Rio' DVD documented the sheer spectacle
of an estimated 200,000 gathering, this one almost brings the Maiden
concert experience to your living room. It was filmed at the Westfalenhalle
in Dortmund, and if you close your eyes you can almost imagine the
crowd's mosutaches and stripey spandex trousers. 'Death On The Road'
is a potent reminder that Maiden are the greatest living heavy metal
band - bar none.
I then went north to Kentish Town, where Opeth again delivered a top-notch
show. It wasn't quite the religious experience of their September
date at the Mean Fiddler, but for two hours and five minutes the Swedes
literally owned the Forum stage. Mixing hardcore and atmospheric metal,
opening act Burst got things off to a fine start, but as good as their
new album 'Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone' might be,
special guests Akercocke were a disappointment. They're undergoing
growing pains and need to work out where they're headed. At the moment
Akercocke not only look like two different bands grafted together,
they also sound like it.
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